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GM Service Operations DATO: 21. september 2009 TIL: Alle amerikanske GM-forhandlere, serviceadministratorer, garantiadministratorer og deleledere SUBJECT: Endringer i General Motors 100 000 Mile5 års drivhjulsgaranti for 2010 Modellår Kjøretøy Denne meldingen skal gi informasjon om a få endringer i GM-drivstoffgarantien for 2010 modellårsbiler. Tidligere modellår kjøretøy påvirkes IKKE av disse endringene. For modellåret 2010 annonserer General Motors en liten endring i komponentene som er dekket under 100.000 mile5 års begrenset garanti på alle lette biler og lastebiler. Garanti - og eierhjelpsinformasjonen er allerede oppdatert med disse endringene i alle New 2010-modell GM-kjøretøyer. Følgende elementer er eliminert fra Powertrain-delen av dekning for 2010, men de vil fortsatt bli dekket for hele lengden av Bumper to Bumper-garantien for alle GM-kjøretøyer. Valgte komponenter kan også dekkes av Federal eller State Emission dekning. Vennligst se manualen for arbeidstidsguide og retningslinjer og prosedyrer (PampP) for ytterligere detaljer. 1) Hele trykkbrennstoffsystemet (brennstoffpumpe i tanken, linjer, drivstoffskinner, injeksjonsinnretninger og returlinje. 2) EnginePowertrain Control Module (ECMPCM) og modulprogrammering. 3) Transmisjonskontrollmodulen (TCM), Overføringskontrollmodul og modulprogrammering. 4) Gassdemperen. 5) Kobling og trykkplate for manuell overføring. 6) Forseglede hjulbæreaggregater eller nav og lageraggregat (akselaksler, tetninger og lager som inngår i komplette akselhusene er fortsatt dekket). Følgende elementer har blitt lagt til drivaggregatdelen av dekning for 2010. 1) Motoroljesystem inkludert slanger, linjer og kjøler. 2) Vevtakskive. 3) Clutch Master Cylinder. GMVIS-systemet (GM Vehicle Inquiry System) og den nye skjermbildet Global Warranty Management Investigate Vehicle History lar deg identifisere denne nye garantien med den forkortede beskrivelsen under avsnittet om gyldige garantier. Ordet garanti på slutten av beskrivelsen er forkortet 8220WTY8221. Tidligere 100 000 mil 5 Årsgarantier har hele ordet stavet ut. 60100 000 Powertrain Coverage Limited WTY (2010 Model Year example) Etterfølgende kommunikasjon vil adressere andre programmer som kan koordineres med New Vehicle Limited Warranty på våre kjøretøy. Vedlagte ordlyd er det som er omtalt i alle garantibeskrivelser og garantier for eierassistentinformasjon for alle GM-kjøretøyer. Motordekning inkluderer. Alle internt smurt deler, motorolje kjøleslanger, linjer og radiatorer. Det er også inkludert alle aktuatorer og elektriske komponenter som er innvendige i motoren (dvs. drivstoffstyringsventilløfter oljevifter osv.), Samt motorstyringsmodul, modulprogrammering, sylinderhode, blokk, tidsgir, timingkjede, timingdeksel, oljepumpoilpumpehus, OHC-bærere, ventildeksler, oljekanne, pakninger, pakninger, manifolds, svinghjul, vannpumpe, harmonisk balanser, motorfeste, startmotor, turbolader og superlaster. Timerbelter dekkes til det første planlagte vedlikeholdsintervallet. Utelukkelser. Utelukkende fra drivstoffdekning er sensorer, ledninger, kontakter, motor radiator, kjølevæske slanger, vifter, kjølevæske og varmekilde. Dekningen på motorens kjølesystem starter ved innløpet til vannpumpen og slutter med termostathuset og utløpet som festes til returslangen. Også utelukket er hele trykkbrennstoffsystemet (tankes drivstoffpumpe, trykkledninger, drivstoffskinner, regulator, injektorer og returlinje) samt EnginePowerTrain Control Module andor-modulprogrammeringen. TransmissionTransaxle Dekning inkluderer: Alle internt smurt deler, kasse, dreiemomentomformer, monteringer, tetninger og tetninger, samt eventuelle elektriske komponenter som er interne til overføringstransaksjonen. Også dekket er noen aktuatorer som er direkte forbundet med transmisjonen (Slavesylinder, etc.). Utelukkelser: Utelukkende fra drivstoffdekning er overføringsledninger, slanger, radiatorer, sensorer, ledninger og elektriske kontakter. Også utelukkende er koblings - og trykkplaten, samt hvilken som helst programmeringsmodul for transmisjonskontrollmodul og - modul. Overdragsdekslet omfatter: Alle internt smurt deler, sager, monteringer, tetninger og pakninger, samt eventuelle elektriske komponenter som er interne i overføringsvesken. Også dekket er noen aktuatorer som er direkte koblet til overføringshuset samt kodermotor. Utelukkelser: Utelukket fra drivstoffdekning er overføringskasse kjøleledninger, slanger, radiator, sensorer, ledninger, elektriske kontakter samt overføringskassen styringsmodul og / eller modulprogrammering. Dekksystemets dekning omfatter: Alle internt smurte deler, siste kjørehus, akselaksler og lagre, konstante hastighetsledd, propellaksler, universale ledd. Alle fester, støtter, tetninger, tetninger samt eventuelle elektriske komponenter som er indre på drivakslen. Også dekket er noen aktuatorer som er direkte forbundet med drivaksen (det vil si differensial aktuator, etc.). Utelukkelser: Utelukkende fra drivhjulets dekning er alle hjullager, drivhjul foran og bakhjulslager, låsemekanismer, kjølesystemkjøling, linjer, slanger, radiator, sensorer, ledninger og elektriske kontakter relatert til drivsystemer, samt hvilken som helst styringssystemkontroll modul ogor modul programmering. Courtesy Transport Program I løpet av 100 000 mile5 års garantidekningsperiode vil alternativ transport og / eller refusjon av visse transportutgifter være tilgjengelig under Courtesy Transportation Program hvis kjøretøyet krever garantireparasjoner. Flere transportalternativer er tilgjengelige. Se i brukerhåndboken for detaljer, hva som ikke er dekket Alle ovennevnte elementer er ikke dekket av skade på grunn av ulykke, feil, endring, utilstrekkelig eller feil vedlikehold, forurenset eller dårlig kvalitet. Medium Duty-lastebiler, inkludert C4500, er utelukket fra denne drivstoffdekning. For fullstendige opplysninger, se bruksanvisningen for garanti og eierhjelpsinformasjon. Veibeskrivelse Program General Motors er stolt over å tilby svar, sikkerhet og bekvemmelighet i 24-timers Roadside Assistance Program for en periode på 100 000 miles5 år, avhengig av hva som kommer først. Se i brukerhåndboken for detaljer, eller kontakt din forhandler. Kontaktinformasjonen for veibeskrivelse er oppført i delen Kundehjelpskontorer i heftet om garanti og eierhjelpsinformasjon. Goodwilljusteringer på drivaggregatelementer Basert på tillegget til den nye 100 000 Mile5-års drivhjulsgarantien, ville GM forvente at svært få drivaggregatreparasjoner ville bli vurdert for goodwilljusteringer utenfor 100 000 Mile5 Year Power Warranty-perioden. Vi ber om at forhandlerne fortsetter å analysere goodwillbeslutninger fra tilfelle til sak og anerkjenner at tid og kjørelengde alltid er en faktor. Total Goodwill-dollar vil fortsette å bli formidlet til alle GM-forhandlere som et notatobjekt nederst i GM Dealer Analysis (DA) - rapporten. Dette vil tillate forhandlervirksomheten å håndtere utgiften og involvere deres distriktssjef når det er nødvendig. Følgende arbeidsoperasjoner utgjør hele listen som er inkludert i New 2010 Powertrain-dekning. Dekningsavsnittet i arbeidstidsveiledningen vil bli oppdatert med denne informasjonen i november 2009-utgivelsen. Utelukkende fra drivstoffdekning er sensorer, ledninger, kontakter, motor radiator, kjølevæske slanger, vifter, kjølevæske og varmekilde. Også utelukket er hele trykkbrennstoffsystemet (tankes drivstoffpumpe, trykkledninger, drivstoffskinner, regulator, injektorer og returlinje) samt EnginePowerTrain Control Module andor-modulprogrammeringen. Det er ganske beroligende. Alle de dyre tingene (deler eller arbeid) aren8217t del av garantien. Og er det å si at normale ECU-programvareoppgraderinger aren8217t dekkes under denne garantien Så what8217s fin utskrift på Hyundai8217s 10 år100k garanti Er det så dårlig uttalt som GM-er. Hvis de virkelig ønsket å spare penger, ville de bare eliminere garantien alt sammen. Alle vet at GM-biler vil vare minst 100 km uten problemer. For 8216wordy8217 for en lekmann å forstå selv om enkelte komponenter fjernet synes å være store. Virkelig what8217s viktig er hvordan dette sammenlignes med en Kia, Hyundia, Honda eller Toyota-garanti. Kan noen si at disse komponentene er eller dekkes ikke? I hvert fall vet vi at de ikke står bak deres produkter. Så tidsbelte er bare dekket for de første 6-7k miles Så hva er fin print på Hyundais 10 år100k garanti BDB. Hyundai har utelukkelser på deres drivaggregatsprodukter for8230check det: 10 ÅR 100 000 MILES POWERTRAIN PROTECTION Dekker de fleste motor 038 transaksjonskomponenter. Dekker reparasjon eller bytte av drivaggregatkomponenter (dvs. valgte motor - og TransmissionTransaxle-komponenter), opprinnelig produsert eller installert av Hyundai, som er defekte i materiell eller fabrikkutførelse, under normal bruk og vedlikehold. Jeg vil sikkert vite de 8220selected Engine og TransmissionTransaxle components8221. General Motors beveger seg i feil retning for å overtale meg, en tidligere flere GM-kunde, til å kjøpe en annen. Innenlandske biler dominerer Consumer Reports8217 årlig verste av den verste listen. Alle langsiktige pålitelighets-, holdbarhets - og garantireparasjonsundersøkelser bekrefter at de er markant dårligere enn de som har de ledende konkurrentene på markedet. Siden 2005 har GM8217s kanadiske markedsandel gått til 12,1 prosent fra 23,1 prosent. I 2000 holdt den mer enn 27 prosent. De fleste asiatiske produsenter omfavner kaizen, japansk for kontinuerlig forbedring. Hvis noe ikke fungerer, svarer de rimelig raskt med korrigerende tiltak og utvidede garantier. De innenlandske bilprodusentene ikke. Hvis noe ikke fungerer, ignorerer de det. Hvis det gjør det, kan de billigere det til det ikke fungerer lenger. Dette er ikke selvtillit byggmester GM krever raskt. Også, dette høres mer ut som tweaking enn 8220downsizing8221 til meg. Virker som en vask. Og mens ikke så god som Hyundai8217s, er GM-garantien lengre enn Toyota og Honda gir deg. 2) EnginePowertrain Control Module (ECMPCM) og modulprogrammering. 3) Transmisjonskontrollmodulen (TCM), Overføringskontrollmodul og modulprogrammering. Hum. now hvorfor ville de gjøre det Fordi de kan argumentere for at kontrollmodulene er en del av det elektriske systemet, ikke drivsystemet. Tydeligvis er drivstoffinnsprøytning og kontrollelektronikk dyrt å erstatte, så jeg er sikker på at det er noen kostnadsbesparelser som forventes her. Før du baserer GM, er det interessant å se om andre produsenter anser FI og ECUer å være en del av drivstoffgarantien. Hvis noe ikke virker, svarer de rimelig raskt med korrigerende tiltak. Åtte år for Honda å eie opp til shrapnel-fulle airbags. Åtte år. Og Toyota fortsatte å snakke om det malingsflekkende problemet med Scion tC. Re: slateslate 8230 drivstoffsystemet er faktisk et kostbart element siden drivstoffskinnen, injeksjonene og pumpen er lett skadet. Tilbake i det innlegget om drivstofftilsetningsstoffene, kommenterte jeg at ved et uhell å løpe ut av gass, kan det skade din brenselsystem 8211, og derfor kommer drivstofflampen på når du faktisk har mange miles igjen av drivstoff. Selvfølgelig innrømmer ingen kunde aldri å løpe ut av gass når de tar bilen inn for reparasjon 8211 så det er et garantielement. It8217s rimelig GM for å eliminere drivstoffsystemproblemer fra denne garantien, siden de faktisk er en stor kostnadspost i en garantiperiode8230, men åpenbart er motivet fra customer8217s perspektiv mistenkt. Når det gjelder ECM og TCM programmering 8211 blinker så mange mennesker sine datamaskiner med ettermarkedet elementer som det også er klokt for dem å nekte å dekke disse problemene. Gå sjekk internett for Diablo Tuners og like8230 you8217ll bli overrasket over hva folk prøver å gjøre med sine biler med tweaks til ECM TCM programmering. Noen kunder har en tendens til å bringe de dårlige tingene på seg selv. Noen mennesker kjører sine Evos i autocrosser og sporer dager8230 og da vil de ha garantidekning for å reparere sine kjøretøy. Jeg tviler på at problemer vil manifestere seg som forretningsproblemer hvis folk bare vil eie opp til sine shenanigans. Forskjellen mellom Hyundai8217s garanti og GM8217s Oh, ca 5 år. Helvete hva sier jeg, I8217m 31 år, GM har aldri laget en bil jeg ville ha ønsket allikevel. (Corvette8230 teller 8217t) alle thosw W-body biler. J-bilene, den rattle utsatt F-Cars den oppblåste LeSabres Kjendisen, den store kaptenen, jeg kan fortsette med det gudet GM har fostret på oss, men det enkle faktum er at jeg eier Honda8217s fordi de starter hver dag og jeg er ikke bekymret for om jeg bør ta det ut av byen. GM mistet meg som kunde for 31 år siden. Ingen forbedring i garantidekningen utgjør 30 år med dårligere produkt. Se, nå er det derfor ingen vil kjøpe biler, GM. Det samme gamle annonseringsloftet om en stor garanti med en haug med stjerner etter det, sier at de dyre delene aren8217t dekkes. Det triste er at selv om du tilbød en ekte 10100-garanti med alle dekket dekket, må du jobbe hardt for å faktisk overbevise folk om at det ikke er en annen GM B. S. Garanti der de fleste deler er dekket. At 8217 er den virkelige oppfatningsgapet 8211 folk tror så lavt av dere at de tar alt du sier med et saltkorn. Hvis bilene var så gode som du sier de er, vil du tilby en ikke-sperret 10100-garanti. Det faktum at du ikke tilbyr en, forteller meg at du ikke tror på produktet ditt. 8220 Du ville ikke ønske å kjøre en CTS-V Virkelig Hva med en Malibu Aldri er et veldig bredt begrep, selv når du utelukker Corvette.8221 BDB: 22. september 2009 klokka 15:16 Fair nok, GM gjorde en CTS jeg kanskje liker , 8220V8221 men det gjør ikke en CTS jeg vil ha over en BMW med en simmilar pris. It8217 er ikke at GM hasn8217t gjorde overbevisende biler, det var at de havnet8217t gjorde gode biler. Hyundai Kia-garantien har mange unntak som andre garantier ikke gjør. Noen få deltakere i TrueDelta8217s bilsikkerhetsundersøkelse har rapportert at 560 garantidekning ble nektet på varer som omtrent enhver annen produsent ville ha dekket under deres grunnleggende garanti. Når det er sagt, har GM fjernet det mest sannsynlige å mislykkes innen 5100 biter fra dekning her. Drivstoffsystemer og hjullager er mye mer sannsynlig å mislykkes enn deler internt til motoren og overføringen. Gjør drivstoffgarantiene på Ford, Honda og Toyota inkludert disse delene verdt en titt. Antall personer som mod programmeringen deres er ikke signifikante, og disse personene er ikke sannsynlig at GM8217s innstillinger returneres. Antall GM-eiere who8217ve måtte reflash deres overføringskontroller flere ganger for å prøve å fikse skiftende problemer8230far mer signifikant. Merknad til GM: TrueDelta doesn8217t teller gratis reflashes som reparasjoner i vår statistikk. Vi teller de som kunden må betale for. Mer av samme gamle GM viser gjennom. De hadde sannsynligvis en høy grad av ECM - og BCM-feil sammen med drivstoffpumper og hjullager slik at de ble eliminert for å spare. Dette er GM vi snakker om her. De har hatt over 10 år å korrigere det sentrale styreakselproblemer, og her er vi i 2009 med Impalas, LaCrosses og Malibus som fortsatt er berørt. Min Impala8217s aksel lyder som at frontenden kommer fra hverandre når jeg lager en sving på venstre side og akselererer. Haven8217t hadde det i ennå, men bilen har nå over 50k på klokken, så I8217m sannsynligvis skrudd. Holydonut: Så hvorfor ikke bare ha et komplett tomrom for folk som blinker sine datamaskiner med ettermarkedet ting. Det kommer alltid til å være de folkene der ute, og hvis de ønsker å ta en slik risiko, bør de betale kostnadene. Hva dette trekk gjør er å straffe folk som ikke gjorde noe galt, det forteller dem før hånden at det er en mengde dyre deler som GM har å dekke, uansett hva som skjer 8211 kjøre denne helt nye bilen på egen risiko. Jeg har sett dette har mye media dekning ennå, men for mine øyne gjør det sikkert at GM ser dårlig ut. Helvete hva sier jeg, jeg er 31 år gammel, GM har aldri laget en bil jeg ville ha ønsket likevel. Du ville ikke lyst til å kjøre en CTS-V egentlig I8217m ikke Sloan, men jeg kan definitivt ikke si noe FUNKSJONSSETT Bare snakk for meg selv, Y8217know Hva med en Malibu Aldri er et veldig bredt begrep, selv når du utelukker Corvette. En Malibu Skurer meg med ærefrykt med tørre hever på tanken, og uten hjelp av en skje 8220Never8221 er ikke bred nok til meg. 8220Ingen aldri i en million, begynner jungelen, teragigamegazillion years8221 bare å begrense det for meg. Husk også, at det er interessant å se om andre produsenter anser FI og ECUer å være en del av drivstoffgarantien. Det gjør ikke noe om 8211 for å få markedsandel GM må gjøre alt langt bedre enn konkurransen. De trenger biler som er 20 mer pålitelige enn Toyota med interiør 20 bedre enn Audi med kjøredynamikk 20 bedre enn BMW og en garanti 20 bedre enn alle for en pris 20 mindre. Tanken om at de kan være like gode8221 er vrangforestillinger, de må være betydelig bedre. En Malibu Skurker meg Jeg er elendig med tørre hever på tanken, og uten hjelp av en skje Er vi snakk om samme bil I8217d, krysser jeg i det minste om jeg var i markedet for en mellomstørre sedan I8217d sannsynligvis ende opp i en Fusion). Jeg mener at TTAC ga det fem stjerner, for Gud8217s skyld, og sa at den eneste de ville sette over det er Mazda 6. Merknad til GM: TrueDelta teller ikke gratis reflashes som reparasjoner i vår statistikk. Vi teller de som kunden må betale for. Hvorfor ikke min Corvette måtte bli blinket under garantien for å korrigere 8220steering hjulet kan låse opp under uventede forhold og ikke nødvendigvis i det beste av neighborhoods8221 problem. Det var en bulletin for Christ8217s skyld, men jeg lærte ikke om problemet før bilen ikke startet en morgen. Jeg mistet en halv dag med jobb som ventet på trukketrucken. Heldigvis fikk min trofaste Miata meg til å jobbe den dagen. Men jeg hadde fortsatt å komme hjem før slutten av skiftet mitt, så vent på at Chevy høflighetsdriveren kom for å få meg så jeg kunne hente min Vette. Og når alt kommer til alt, kan en annen forhandler senere ikke finne noe bevis i service datasystemet at denne bulletinen var blitt løst, så de måtte gjøre FLASH en annen gang. Begge ganger var dekket under garantien, men virkningen til kunden i tid tapt og tilhørende kostnader var enorm. Og det er derfor jeg hater GM mer enn jeg hater brusselspirer, kikærter og limabønner alt lagt opp. Jeg så minst noen reflashes som forbedringer i stedet for reparasjoner, og tror de8217ll blir omtrent like vanlige som systemoppdateringer fra Microsoft. Forutsatt at de forbedrer bilen, vil jeg ikke gi produsentene noen grunn til ikke å gi slike oppdateringer, så lenge de er gratis. Synd det er ingen måte å splitte dem ut. Da ville jeg ha ventet på en lørdag for å gjøre en 8220improvement flash8221. Men ifølge oppslaget ble blitsen jeg fikk, nødvendig for å få bilen til å gå, så det var en 8220fix.8221 Ferdig to ganger. På samme bil. i min 31 år har gm gjort en håndfull biler jeg beundret (aldri vurdert å kjøpe): 87 GNX 89 ZR1 91 Typhoon 95 Riviera 96 ​​Grand Prix 97 C5 04 CTS-V 05 XLR-V 08 ZR1 Men de er blandet inn med Korsikaene , Centurys, Park Avenue, Aveos og alle andre POS at den generelle har insistert jeg tar så alvorlig. (ah helvete dette er gøy, hva med Omega, Towne Coupe, Chevette, S-10, 6000, Caprice, Cimmeron) Jeg dro ikke av GM8230 GM GM. Når vi snakker om blinkende styreenheter med ny programvare og fastvare, tror jeg at vi beveger oss mot åpne systemer som kan oppdateres over tid, spesielt i infotainmentområdet. Noen av det8217er som allerede vises som Ford8217s Sync-system og de digitale gagger og gizmoer på Nissan GT-R. På NAIAS i år viste Johnson Controls det som så ut som helt programmerbare instrumentpanel skjermer. Til slutt blir det som din iPhone, bare kjøp en app for den. Den grunnleggende maskinvaren som sensorer, forsterkere, høyttalere og displaypaneler vil bli løst, men alt annet vil være programvarebasert. Blinkende gjort av alle, men en forhandler, ville være et nei-nei i min bok. Imidlertid vil de fleste av de utelukkelsene de gjør, gjøre meg usannsynlig å kjøpe bilen. Kontrollører er for eksempel elektroniske enheter som er svært utsatt for varme, spenningsforstyrrelser, dumme designbeslutninger og andre slike problemer, hvorav ingen er under kontroll av bilens eier. Du kan ikke gjøre 8220preventive vedlikehold8221 på en ECM for å forlenge livet, og det er heller ikke sannsynlig at du gjør noe for å få det til å mislykkes tidlig (ikke blinker). Hvis GM ikke kan garantere kontrolleren i rimelig tid, vil jeg fortelle dem å spise den. Jeg tror at garantier ikke alltid er en refleksjon av din selvtillit til produktet ditt, men de kan ikke bare trekke dem ut av luften heller. De er data-drevne. Som en person som faktisk leser (og leser inn) hans garantipapirer, ville jeg være bekymret. GM har ikke råd til å ha 8220concerned8221 kunder akkurat nå. Hei, ZoomZoom, what8217s er galt med limabønner Drivaggregatene er ofte inkludert under 880-utslippsgarantien. Så de fjerner i hovedsak 20.000 miles av dekning fra folk som kjører mer enn 80.000 miles om fem år. Ikke en stor innvirkning der. Michael Karesh: 22. september 2009 kl 03:38. Hyundai Kia-garantien har mange unntak som andre garantier ikke gjør. Noen få deltakere i TrueDeltas bilsikkerhetsundersøkelse har rapportert at 560 garantidekning ble nektet på varer som omtrent enhver annen produsent ville ha dekket under deres grunnleggende garanti. Jeg må ha en eksepsjonell KIA-forhandler. De erstattet en frontnav og alle sammenhengende deler som en komplett enhet gratis på 115 kilometer på Sorento. De sa at det aldri hadde skjedd før, og KIA ønsket alle delene. Dette er den samme forhandleren som erstattet en trans på en annen Sorento som hadde over 120k miles. De belaste meg 200 for diverse varer. Det er unødvendig å si at I8217ve har kjøpt KIA for servicebiler på grunn av stjernens tjeneste. De er til og med rimelige for generelt vedlikehold som tune ups, oljeskifte, kambelte osv. De lokale GM - og Ford-forhandlerne belaster hver cent de tror de kan komme seg godt i og spesialiserer seg på å nekte garantikrav. Malibu doesn8217t tilbyr en manuell girkasse. Fusion, 6, Altima, helvete selv Camry og Accord (sist jeg sjekket) gjør. Så nei, jeg ville ALDRI vurdere å kjøpe en Malibu. Og nei, jeg vil aldri ha en CTS-V heller, med mindre jeg får bilen gratis og du betaler min skatteregistreringsforsikring. Jeg er sikker på at jeg har råd til å kjøre den, som eier en jeg ville ikke ville betale for. En bil er bare bra hvis den gir tilbake til eieren (i mobilitet og nytelse) mer enn det trekkes ut økonomisk. jpcavanaugh: 22. september 2009 kl. 17:02 8220 Jeg tror at Alfred P. Sloan (som ikke har noe å si om GM) og P71 CrownVic (som ikke har noe å si om Fords), bør vurdere trading names.8221 søt, men Jeg har ingen uberettiget hate for det generelle, bare begrunnede forakt. Som en ny Chevy lastebilkjøper i 2004 og den resulterende feilen på ChevyGMC8217s del for det meste å ikke respektere den så vanlige 3636k-garantien, ler jeg høyt på ethvert aspekt av ChevyGMCs garanti såkalt dekning og fortsetter å advare andre når det er mulig om faren for å kjøpe et ChevyGMC-produkt. Malibu tilbyr ikke en manuell girkasse. Fusion, 6, Altima, helvete selv Camry og Accord (sist jeg sjekket) gjør. Camry og Accord tilbyr dem i teorien, men lykke til å finne en hos forhandleren som isn8217t en komplett stripper. Fusjonen og Altima er gode av den grunn, men de eksisterer både i virkeligheten og i teorien. Jeg har ingen anelse om hva garantien på min 88 BMW 528e var. Men 21 år350 kilometer senere er den fortsatt på sin opprinnelige hovedbrenselpumpe, alternator og ECU. Dette er på ingen måte eksepsjonell for en E 28. Bytting av drivstoffpumpen på en GM involverer RRing av bensintanken. Gjør meg lurer på hva annet de er billigere ut på. De nye bilene som ruller ut av GM, er hyggelige, men er de klasseledende. Verdi ledende Inspiserer de mer tillit til å gjøre det i det lange løp enn konkurrentene deres Nei, nei og nei. Beklager GM, du må prøve mye vanskeligere. Men da er det bare min oppfatning. Jeg satt i en ny LaCrosse. Hyggelig bil, men jeg skjønte ikke noe om det da, sa klasseleder. It8217s konkurransedyktig, sikkert, men klasse ledende Ikke til prisen de spør. GM trenger å løpe som gazeller for å få de beste bilene hvor som helst, for å vise oss at de virkelig, virkelig egentlig betyr det. I stedet ser det ut som om de går ut på en uformell spasertur. BDB: 22. september 2009 kl. 15:16 Du ville ikke ønske å kjøre en CTS-V Virkelig Hvem skal betale for det Du eller Bob Lutz BDB: 22. september 2009 kl. 5:52 pm Camry og Accord tilbyr dem i teorien, men lykke til å finne en hos forhandleren som ikke er en komplett stripper. Fusjonen og Altima er gode av den grunn, men de eksisterer både i virkeligheten og i teorien. Ikke så vanskelig som du tror. Omtrent 400k Camries and Accords selges hvert år i USA (hver). Hvis du må kjøpe en standard, står du bedre på å se på dem. GM anser dette som en 8220light8221-modifikasjon for deres garanti Siden regjeringen allerede er så involvert og har sin virksomhet, bør noen på høyt kontor komme inn og TELL at de skal dekke alt, fordi du vet at skattebetaleren faktisk vil ha en avkastning på pengene sine. BOZO8217s kjører GM, får det fortsatt ikke. De må være betydelig bedre enn alle andre, ikke bare like. Skyll den nåværende ledelsen ned på toalettet og få folk der inne som faktisk vet hva de gjør. Jeg satt i en ny LaCrosse. Hyggelig bil, men jeg så ikke noe om det da sa klasseleder. Buick må ha et interiør bedre enn en Audi, bedre kjørekvalitet enn en Mercedes, bedre håndtering enn en BMW og alt mer pålitelig enn en Lexus. Jeg likte GM på 70-tallet. Ikke siden. De ser ikke ut til å forandre seg. Alle som beundrer GM-biler, burde virkelig prøve å kjøre konkurransen. Jeg kan ikke nevne en person jeg vet som liker GM etter å ha kjørt konkurrentmodeller. 8220The Camry og Accord tilbyr dem i teorien, men lykke til å finne en hos forhandleren som ikke er en komplett stripper.8221 Definer stripper. I8217m gammel nok til å huske stripperne min gamle mann ville kjøpe. Basemodell 4 dør Chevys og Fords. Ingen radioer, elektriske vinduer, låser, styring osv8230 En base Camry eller Accord er neppe en stripper. Accord LX ser bedre ut enn luksuriøse biler fra gamle: automobiles. hondaaccord-sedanspecifications. aspx samme for Camry toyotacamryfeatures. html Du er sannsynligvis riktig på å finne en pinne på lager, men de er strippet. Re Karesh og rpiotr01 1) Let8217s være klare, det er ikke mange lovlige garantibetingelser (uten TSB) når det gjelder ECMTCM. Men det er et stort antall ECMTCM reflashes gjort under garantien. It8217s praktisk disse er 8220free8221 for kunden på reparasjonstidspunktet 8211, men noen betaler for det. Og teknisk sett er det en kostnad som overføres til alle under et første salg. Forhandlere gjør ofte disse blinkene fordi it8217s er en enkel måte å fortelle kunden de prøvde å fikse et problem 8211 fullt ut å vite absolutt ingenting viktig har skjedd for å garantere reflash. Imidlertid bøter forhandleren garantikostnaden og får litt tilbake fordi de ikke kunne finne en rimelig arbeidsoppgave som passer symptomene8230 og de må betale for den diagnostiske tiden. 2) Varene som ble rammet av denne garantidekningen, er for den utvidede drivlinjepartiet ikke grunnstøtfangeren til støtfangeren. En bil som trenger en reflash i støtfangeren til støtfanger til støtfanger er fortsatt dekket. 3) Noen TSBer og tilbakekallinger sendt fra produsenten vil nevne behovet for en flash av ECM eller TCM. For eksempel behøvde noen kunder som kjøpte SRT Chryslers-biler en reflash fordi overføringen skiftet 8220sloppy8221 og mange kunder klaget. Dermed ble en TSB utstedt. Disse typer TSBer pleier å bli løst veldig tidlig i garantisyklusen, så det er ikke en bekymring for den utvidede garantien. Men hva GM sier her er at de ikke vil gjøre garantisamarbeid for folk som ønsker å endre deres ECM og TCM blinker veldig sent i spillet bare fordi de tror at overføringen føles feil8221 etter 90.000 miles. Hvis forhandleren oppdager at det er et reelt problem med synkronene i overføringen, dekker det utvidede drivaggregatgarantien det. Hvis forhandleren ikke kan finne et merkbart problem med overføringen (ingen ulykkelige klumper, ingen sliping, riktig inngrep for alle gir ved gjeldende hastigheter), vil det ikke være noen garanti for en TCM reflash. Jeg er sikker på at noen goodwill-krav vil tillate et kjent TSB-problem å bli løst i den utvidede garantiperioden, men nøkkelen har TSB. Tilbakekallinger er regjeringskrevende for å bli henrettet, slik at de ikke påvirkes av garantibestemmelsene. 4) Disse ettermarkedet flashmod ting er vanligvis gjort på en måte som isn8217t spores av skanneverktøyene i butikken. Det vil si når ettermarkedet 8220flash går galt8221 er det ikke rødt flagg som citerer at car8217-minnet var temperert med kunder som regel late som å være uvitende og si at de ikke vet hva som skjedde. Les de store Internettforaene og se hvor ofte folk reflasher bilene sine. Noen ganger gir blinkene sine faktisk problemer (spesielt når de skifter skiftemønstre og drivstoffavbrudd). Jeg bryr meg ikke om volumet er ubetydelig å kvitte seg med disse høye kostnadene, fra garantiansvaret, og det er ingen grunn til å ha garantert blinker etter 36 km. Hvis hele ECM eller TCM bare eksploderer 8211 brønn I8217m sikker på at det vil være et tema for debatt, ville jeg håpe dette var fortsatt garantert, men jeg vet også at noen mennesker gjør noen veldig dumme ting til bilene sine. Antallet legit totale feil i ECMTCM er trolig mindre enn det ubetydelige antall mennesker som kjøper de Diablo Tuners. Etter min mening bør reflashes ikke være en del av den utvidede garantien, men det er ingen grunn til det når du har fjernet basisgarantiperioden. Jeg ønsker også at TTAC vil publisere ting som hva jeg skriver om i8217m her i stedet for å bare legge inn et notat og se på at folk gjør konklusjoner som8230 GM dekker ikke lenger drivstoffpumper under basisgaranti8230 eller det er alvorlige problemer å få når refleksene er nixet fra den utvidede garantien. Look up the extended powertrain warranty from Toyota or Subaru, etc. You won8217t find fuel pumps and injectors in there either. Just a reminder for GM8217s warranties: Base 36 months 36K miles (the budget-brands) Base 48 months 50K miles (premium cars) Incremental coverage that kick in when the base coverage ends: Extended PT 60 months 100K miles Roadside Assist 60 months 100K miles Courtesy Transportation 60 months 100K miles Rust 72 months 100K miles (all except Saab 9-3) Rust 120 months INF miles (Saab 9-3) Federal Recalls Lifetime (All are Transferable) I8217ll give you 1 if you can compile a list of all major failure modulesparts and the warranty coverages8230 for each model year and sales territory. I think that list will be a 50mb spreadsheet. I saw you started making some calls 8211 but this would easily take about 10,000 calls and the rest of your life to sort out. Michael Moore could make a movie out of this. Does Subaru offer a 880 warranty Is that a special add-on or maybe certified pre-owned I guess there8217s the federally mandated 880 SNAFU on all cars sold in states with smog testing but that doesn8217t apply to everyone since it can only be evoked if a car fails an emissions test. If you wish for more crisp shifts at 77K miles you8217re not going to get a TCM reflash when you complain to the service manager. I don8217t think any automaker touts this 880 a part of their regular or extended warranty since it8217s a federal regulation that is difficult to explain. That8217s why you won8217t find it on the OEM websites. I think some states have special emissions warranties out to like 10 years for ZEV, but it usually covers specific items like catalytic converters and not necessary major engine components. And there8217s the special hybrid warranty mandates. I think all of this is beyond the scope of GM8217s letter. Either way, fuel system repair warranty out to 100K is basically unheard of and really should be unexpected8230 except most of the comments were quick to criticize the statement as if the entire warranty on fuel systems was rescinded. To be honest I doubt customers really know what they8217re getting withwithout this coverage. They just feel like they got boned a bit by Government motors. Which means all GM did was butcher itself by amending an existing warranty to draw attention to the notion that the coverage was removed. Who out there knows the EPUS warranty cost for fuel pumps between 36K miles and 100K miles Oh yeah, GM does. Silly GM. ECMTCM reflashes are also silly to cover on a universal basis out to 100K 8211 and I totally understand why GM would want to avoid the hassle on the extended coverages. But at the same time they could have kept the offering to make peace with customers. It8217s weird Subaru draws a line between the ECM and TCM. Again, this wouldn8217t be an issue if GM had avoided drawing attention to it. The 880 emissions warranty is federally mandated and covers the catalytic converters and ECU is all cars. A car does not have to fail a smog test to qualify8211that8217s misinformation on your part. Subaru distinguishes between the ECU and TCU because the former is already covered for 880. 560 is less than 880, so no point in listing the ECU under their powertrain coverage. GM did list the ECU because the 100 part of the 5100 went beyond 880. The ECU effectively had an 8100 warranty. Now it again has an 880 warranty. The story here is valid. GM made a big deal about having the 8220best8221 powertrain warranty when it introduced the 5100 powertrain warranty. Now it8217s removing some items from that warranty. Thousands of people will have to pay hundreds of dollars more for repairs as a result. I don8217t see the need to make more phone calls than I made in about 15 minutes earlier today. A certain list of items were removed from the 5100 warranty. The question arose whether these items were typically covered by powertrain warranties. The answer is sometimes, but not in most cases. I don8217t see a single comment here that explicitly states that these items are not covered at all. Even if this was the case, this would not alter the above facts. You8217d like to believe that GM deserves no criticism for reducing its warranty coverage. But, as someone here noted, if you offer something at one time, then take it away, you8217re going to get criticized. Especially if the price of the vehicle isn8217t adjusted accordingly, and there8217s no indication that it has been. GM isn8217t the only one to be criticized for such a move. In recent years some European manufacturers started providing free maintenance. Then most of them stopped doing so. They took a hit for this, even though American and Japanese luxury car manufacturers never offered this perk. Chrysler would be taking a hit right now for backing off of its Lifetime Powertrain Warranty, even though no one else offers it, except that no one is taking Chrysler seriously at the moment. It8217s more like, 8220Oh, are they still around8221 Receive updates on the best of TheTruthAboutCars Recent Comments DepreciatedDerelict - Or when you uncompressed the calipers when installing the new pads caused overflow in the brake reservoir. Re: GM8217s Opel Sale Largely Complete, to Be Announced Next Week: ReportBig Al From Murica - Hopefully the Ad campaign will explain how Cadillac is as good as the European luxury makes, but GM was. Re: QOTD: Are V6-Engined Midsize Sedans Way Over The TopMaymar - I8217m mostly just disappointed when V6s are wasted on the slow, but for the few who use it properly, why not That said, as I8217ve. 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It8217s true that the practice of offering AWD on cars (as opposed to crossovers, SUVs or pickup trucks) has traditionally been relegated to also-ran competitors like Subaru, whose brand hinges on AWD. But today, GM8217s direct competition, namely Ford, is beginning to offer AWD in an increasing part of their lineups, putting Chevrolet in a competitive disadvantage in markets where snowy and icy conditions are prevalent. Specifically, the Ford Fusion and Taurus both offer either FWD or AWD, compared to the Chevy Malibu and Impala, which come in front-drive form only, no matter the powertrain. Coupled with an otherwise competitive product, the drivetrain difference alone could be more than enough to get new customers to try the Chevrolet brand, in some cases, for the very first time. 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Sponsored Links Previous story General Motors Announces 3 New Recalls Affecting 1.54 Million Vehicles, Will Cost Automaker 300 Million Next story General Motors Recalls 303,000 Express, Savana Vans Over Non-Compliant Head Impact Equipment You may also like. Sponsored Links Subaru is one of the fastest growing brands, partly due to AWD8217s surefootedness in the snow, combined with car like handling and efficiency. Also, many people realize they want utility but can8217t justify something truck based. Offering sporty AWD sedans with a manual option would be great for GM. It would chip away at Audi, and Subie sales and would offer a driver8217s car for those who don8217t want the Freudian implications of a Corvette or a Camaro. AWD should become a standard option just like automatic or manual in GM automobiles. After driving an AWD Subaru Legacy for 4 years, I will never go back to 2-wheel drive only, unless it8217s in a sports car. BMW has been way ahead of the curve with their iDrive option. GM needs to catch up. As someone who works in sales at a GM dealership, yes GM should have some AWD models in the sedans. I don8217t think the Sonic requires it, but the Cruze would be a great addition as would the Malibu and Impala. We do have quite a few people who inquire about the Orlando but shy away when they find out it is FWD only too. The key is to make it affordable. If it adds 3000 to the price, I think people in the Cruze market may shy away. Malibu and Impala market could probably get away with that kind of premium charge. You are correct that they will shy away from 3,000 extra. The Cruze AWD would sell big time, so would the Malibu in AWD. As a fleet manager, I can justify 500 more than a Subaru for an AWD Malibu, but not 3,000. I have a small fleet, 55 cars around the US. But if you count that my small company drives 750,000 miles a year, it doesn8217t take long for me to need to replace those 55 cars, and when 16 of those cars are Subaru Legacys or Foresters. I replace at least 13 of my fleet each year. I bought a new For Fusion Titanium for the specific purpose that it had the option of AWD (which is what I wanted). Being a GM guy, i was saddened that if I wanted AWD, I had to spend an additional 8k over the already high 38k for the fusion, if I wanted an AWD midsize car from GM the Regal. So, I was left choosing from a Legacy, 200, or Fusion. This is not just a easy you build it and they will buy. It would take careful planning of what models and pricing to where people would pay. Also you would need to use a quality system like the Haldex to make it worth the while. The Cruze would be a tough one as would people pay the added 2,000 over the already higher price of a Cruze The Malibu could share the Regal system but again at what price. Are there many that would pay that much for a Malibu Same for the Impala as it could share the XTS system but again we are already over 40K with FWD. My thought is make Buick the AWD option division. It Buick is already at the price point. It also would help set them apart from Chevy. Also they would make a nice way to add power to their line and hook up over the FWD. Add to this Opel could share in all the AWD offerings and sell them in Europe to help with volume. Subaru has no issue with AWD as they have specialized in it for years and have a rep. Also many of their AWD are Foresters seen as a SUV. GM on the other hand has no real rep and also they offer a lot of CUV and SUV models with AWD options already. How many people would give them up for a sedan While this is a good Idea it would take careful though and planning. The reality is AWD is not a must even here in the snow belt were we see 70-100 inches of snow a year. In fact AWD cars are not all that common as most have CUV and SUV models if they have to have it. Generally most of us get buy with RWD and FWD just fine. But if there is money to be made I think with the right mix of models at the right price GM could make money. I would like to see Opel and Buick compete more with Audi here at a lower price. People are down sizing for the economy and how better to gain their purchase with a quality car at a lower price. But just adding AWD to a BU and Impala would be a tough low volume way to make it. I would be shocked if the would meet 5 of all sales for either line at the price they would have to charge. I would love to see what Fords take numbers are and transaction price. I also would love to see their distribution numbers. In Canada, the Fusion out sells the Malibu by a 4 to 1 margin. Canadians love AWD, so that could be a reason for the wide sales volume the Fusion have over the 8216Bu. It8217s not like anyone is saying GM should replace the FWD 8216Bu with AWD, offer both, give customers choices, and then align production with demand. I don8217t think it would hurt to offer AWD as an option on the more 8220premium8221 offerings such as the Impala, or more Buicks. but AWD is more of a want than a need. The only advantage AWD gives any car in adverse conditions is when you start. once moving it8217s a neutral benefit. especially if it8217s not a performance based AWD system with torque vectoring and a bias toward the rear axle. Even then, 99.9 of the customer base would have no idea how to take advantage of it. If trudging along in snow is the goal, just buy dedicated snow tires. It8217s far cheaper, and the car will be optimized for winter and summer driving8230assuming you switch to beater rubber when it8217s warm. Anyone who8217s driven in states with rough winters knows that you8217re more likely to see 4WD trucks, or SUVs and AWD 8220sports cars8221 that have gotten into bad situations simply because they thought they had the surefootedness to drive inappropriately for the conditions. I think GM should offer more awd but make the who want it pay for it It should be a premium and should cost that way Same thing for putting a manual in cars that don8217t deserve them If the few people who want manuals want them make them pay for them with a high premium If only a few people are going to check these options then they should be made to pay a pretty penny for it I also like the idea of one division being dedicated to awd Stephen Marcus says: Buick should focus on AWD, position itself a the poor man8217s Audi given that Mark Adams already tried to benchmark Opel fit and finish against Audi. This drop in market share at Chevy should worry everyone. Given the products, Caddy should be stronger, too8211ATS is limping along. Ford charges a premium, does well will high end trim and now from a price and feature perspective inches into old Mercury space. Chevy needs a cohesive design language. The current mash of looks does little for brand recognition. I admire the use of Kodo at Mazda in that thirty cars stand out. Ford8217s kinetic does the same. Chevy can not continue using Camaro for design cues when the car only appeals to a certain age and demo. Strangely, Buick is the only brand showing true steady growth with its being an alternate to high end luxury. GM should be taking note for Chevy. AWD is becoming more desirable for the demographic aging market, but GM has ignored refining or promoting AWD. I purchased a Buick AWD because I reside in the Midwest where snow and ice coupled with colder winters have made winter driving a longer season. First, Buicks with AWD are programed with over 4,000 RPM shift points which make driving noise annoying and gas mileage drop. Secondly, I have had the Buick in the shop three times for the rear axle warning light problems. I have no confidence that the AWD will work when it8217s needed. Buick blew me off when I complained about the high shift points and poor gas mileage. Their standard answer is that it is 8220normal.8221 After two years with the Buick, I am making plans to end our relationship and 8220step up8221 to an Audi. I am a fleet manager for a national company that has cars from Canada down to the Gulf Coast. Easily one third of my fleet are AWD cars, all Subaru Legacy or Forester models. I can purchase Legacy sedans all day long for under 21,000 which is what I barely buy a Malibu LS for. (the fleet Malibu is less) With employees in Canada, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and New England, an all wheel drive vehicle is vital for us to do our job. And even in the south, during the raining season, the all wheel drive is a safety issue. GM needs to get on board with AWD. If they are concerned about AWD taking business away from Buick or other models, it is already happening by not providing the AWD option at an affordable price. The Legacy is highly rated safety wise, and has the AWD system at a very reasonable cost. GM needs to be competitive otherwise fleet purchases and the public will go elsewhere to purchase their cars. Ken you are absolutely right about GM having nothing to compete with Legacy. And below the Legacy, Subaru offers the AWD Impreza which, even imported from Japan, is less expensive than a comparable Cruze. Unlike Cruze, Impreza can actually fit adults in the back seat and the interior is soft touch. Let8217s not even talk about reliability and resale value. The Cruze would be a great 13,000 car 17,000 with AWD. Ok lets clear some things up here. When I say lower cost Audi I do not mean 28K. I mean we are looking at 5K 8211 8K less than a comparable Audi. So to make it short we are talking cars 35K to 50K and properly built and equipped. I am not talking just the present Lacrosse or Regal but the Future cars bases on the new platforms including an AWD Alpha coupe that will spawn a Buick and Opel. If you saw Americarna on Velocity tonight they had a story on Rick Hendrick and his Corvettes. If you can catch it there was a Opel coupe concept drawing on Ed Wellborn8217s wall that represents the kind of car I am talking about. What I am not talking about is doing what old GM would have done and slap a lot of cladding on a Chevy, put some red dash lights in it and hack the price buy 4 grand and call it a upscale model. Brian people really do not have to have AWD. We got by with out it for years and most of us here where we get a lot of snow have no care for it as we know we can get around just fine in the snow with front or RWD on good tires. The reality is AWD brings in sales and money so if they need it or not you should consider selling it. Now here is the issue. The Cruze now is what 24K-25K in LTZ trim now correct. Now you add AWD to this and you face several issues. One it will add 1100-2000 to the price depending on how good the system is. Second it will add weight to the car. Finally it will drop MPG to the present car too. To do this right GM should redesign the car to include AWD at a lower price and weight to make it viable in a Chevy. The fact is the there is a limit to the present Chevy cars as to what people will pay for them. Finally how many will you sell Now can you come up with a good enough package at a price that will be attractive to buyers I mean you can slap this on the car but if it is too expensive and runs like a dog then is it really worth the investment at this time in this car. Now I have yet to see the D2XX as if it was designed to accept AWD but I would assume as flexible these new platforms are it will be. The Alpha is already too. The bottom line is just because it is a good idea you still have to work with what you have and you need to figure out how much money you will make as what is the use if the car is not going to be class leading. You would be better off waiting till you can do it right. I think GM is at this point now as they are still fixing the issues of the main line cars and these lower volume models will come in time. AWD does not pay the bills but it does enhance profit so at some point they will visit this is my feeling. Right now Buick has a whole line of new product coming and will be moving to a price point higher that will let them offer Haldex systems that are as good as anyone on the market. To most it is seen as the best system available. But you could slap a cheap system in a Malibu like that is in the Nox and people will be disappointed as t is not a top dollar system. While it is AWD it8217s traction is no where near the Haldex in the Buick or Cadillac. GM has 5 more years of rebuilding to go as they are only 5 years in on a 10 year program to get them to where they need to be. Their will be gaps till then and missed markets but as long as they focus on the main products the smaller segments will come in time. Buick is just now finding room to expand with Cadillac moving up the price chain. In this industry it is good to think like a car guy but you also have to still consider how to pay for all of this and how to do it right and still make a profit. At times you can8217t just always just do what you want not even GM. No one thought Cadillac could compete with BMW and Benz, well today they are. Buick is going to have t move to a higher price point and be the kind of car they need to be. Can they compete with a Audi 4 or 5 yes and they will with what is coming. Judging Buick today based on present product is not what anyone should do as this stuff will be gone soon and the coming product will be as dramatic as the CTS was to Cadillac. No more left overs for Buick. Opel will also share I the new dramatic product too. It is not a matter of if they can but they both have to live a little larger and higher in class. Stephen Marcus says: You need to read up on Audi history. In addition, they share much engineering with VW which is quite like the ChevyBuick situation. What, exactly, has made Buick unique or special over the last 30 years: Sadly, nothing as result, they are a brand being rebuilt from the ground up sharing much with Opel that currently benchmarks everything except power against Audi under Mark Adams grip. It will be a decade before Buick can command premium pricing in NA so people are going to view it as a discounted European styled marque (as opposed to Caddy Art and Science American design launuage) Lastly, why do you suggest Chevy is connecting well with the US buying public Chevy is in transition, like the rest of GM, and so far only Impala and Corvette have been hits yet, nonetheless, the brand faces strong demographic challenges as opposed to Ford who had gained share are Chevy8217s expense. Are you serious EVERYONE knows what Chevy is about. It8217s what it8217s ALWAYS been. The value and segment busting every man8217s car. It8217s completely unrestricted by pretension, perceptions of class, and even price. We have a brand that sells 12k cars and 130K cars on the same showroom floor and nobody even thinks twice about it. Chevy just makes the best cars it can in a segment8230period. But it8217s ok if the value angle is used when speaking of a Chevy, because Chevy never claimed to be a Porsche, or a Jag, or a Lexus. It simply happens to have a few cars so good in their segments that it is compared against cars costing twice as much. All of GM8217s other brands fell off or no longer exist because GM forgot and neglected what made the brand solid or worth having in the first place. NONE of GM8217s brands were at their best when they were being what a direct competitor in the market was. If you want to dominate in a segment, you lead. You set the tone. You are the innovator. And most importantly you break out heads and shoulders above the crowd by doing your own thing is such a way that others want to be you and emulate you. Buick used to be a high quality, solid, understated luxury car. It made no apologies for what it was, and was sought after by those who had money, but more sense or no desire to to be flamboyant about it. (that8217s what Cadillacs were, and are for) Now Buick is some forget me too, vanilla mobile. Like an expensive Camry. Heck your average Buick doesn8217t even command a price that makes you cross that line of thinking of it as a true Luxury car. At best a modern Buick is 8220entry level8221 luxury. And real talk, most people on the street don8217t even see it as that. Sorry8230 I understand GM is trying to get it8217s act together. But GM disrespected it8217s brands, market, and customers for too long. And now they have a hard long road back to just being number one again. Stephen Marcus says: I disagree, people below the age of 45 have a conflicted view regarding what Chevy its all about. For starters, for years had lacked a consistent design language splashing between the Germanic looking Cruze, the semi sporty Malibu and the Baby Boomer chasing Camaro. Also, allowing halo Corvette to decline, become the 8220plummers dream8221 car only more for first time or urban buyers looking at a Sonic or Spark. Chevy is a damaged brand. The demos (sub prime loans to push cars no defining hit like Focus or Accord the manner in which college grads shun the brand which means lower sales in certain regions) demonstrate this. Also, Chevy has failed to gain traction on the coasts which should worry everyone given Ford8217s recent gains. Coming in 4th place in car sales behind Honda does not suggest a well understood and managed brand. Chevy needs a decade to rebuild. American shoppers are forgiving, look at Ford or Toyota after the recall. Given the massive pockets at GM this its doable provided the marketing meets moment. Stephen, you8217re doing the classic 8220short sighted take8221 on GM and Chevy as a whole. You speak of a lack of coherent design across the brand (which by the way does not matter except to enthusiast) for years and then mention cars that have barely existed let alone been on the road more than a life cycle. I8217m talking in terms of DECADES. By your measurement every time a new model comes out, GM will be breaking the design language. When it comes to the youth, there is one point most everyone keeps missing. THERE ARE NO JOBS I interact and deal with the 18-26 crowd everyday in my work environment. And I can guarantee you that Chevy (Camaro, Corvette, Full size trucks, and SUVs) are on their radar. They simply can8217t afford them. And that8217s not just a Chevy issue. That8217s something ALL car makers are struggling with. And finally, the Corvette has always been a common man8217s dream car That8217s the F8217ing point of the Corvette. A car that gives you all of the style and performance of an unobtainable European sports car at a price that any hardworking stiff can afford with a little effort and planning. That IS Chevy. A common man8217s car that doesn8217t come across as one. Now like I said before. GM forgot that. And the public reacted accordingly. Now GM is working hard to reverse that. Unfortunately they have a hard long road ahead of them. Audi did come from basic roots as it was not much more than a Opel class car years ago. Only till you get to the 808217s did it start moving up. Today they do some platform sharing but they do a pretty good job of hiding it outside of the SUV class. As for Buick moving up it will take a a little time but the next gen will move them much as the ATS and CTS already has moved Cadillac. The truth is Buick has to fundamentally change to be represent. Also GM has to transition Opel more too as they are in a very competitive market and by moving some of their models up it will give them a better chance to compete in Europe. Buick though will not take as long as Cadillac8217s transition basically due to the fact they already have new platforms coming that much more refined. Also GM has the money to move them faster along than Cadillac. Finally they have a group running GM that is more responsive they have had in their history. The only thing that will slow them down Is public perception but the new product will determine that. I agree Chevy is in transition. But I give them more credit than you do. As of now the Malibu and Sonic in my eyes is the only real under producer. The impala, Camaro, Corvette have been most praised but the Cruze as sold near class leading and is already getting a upgrade. The Spark as quirky as it is has done better than most Micro cars in the American market. Many of which like the IQ and Smart that are no longer on the market. the Nox is selling at class leading levels even though it is one of the oldest in the fleet. Ford on the other hand has the Taurus that is doing ok but not leading The Fusion that was a home run. The Focus that has been doing well and the Mustang that was doing ok but was second in sales to the Camaro. I like the new one and it should sell well but it is early yet. Ford in its revamp is 5 years ahead only because they were worse off financially first. They got the bank loans much before GM was bailed out when banks were still loaning money. They yet are paying off these loans that were leveraged on the backs of their plants. Ford did not gain in the market on just Chevy as they have does so at the expense of Toyota, Honda and Chrysler too who has not really had a competitive small car since the Neon. With Chevy on the verge of releasing the second gen of their new cars it should continue the growth. The Malibu is not a car that will be around long since the platform is about up. As for the Sonic it has not been a crash and burn as it has improved over the Aveo but they need to find a way to compete better with the other small cars in class. Things like a RS with a real performance advantage and maybe some other trim levels in the line to help market the car better. We have 5 more years to get things back to level ground here and part of that is to move Buick up and into a little different package than before to set them apart. They have to fill that price gap between Chevy and Cadillac and are the last to see new product. I think they will be the division that will surprise many on how they will change as they are the one who needs the most change. They will need to compete in the that 35-55K range in luxuryperformance and will be given new surprising product to do so. People will speak more about the cars than where the portholes even if they have them are. Of late they have had good cars just real inspiring when all people can do is comment on port holes. Stephen Marcus says: I could not agree more, and see BuickGMC in NA as an amazing distribution channel with uber fat margin. Buick its already 50 percent through its transformation and will be able to increase both volume and margins significantly over the next five years. I view Buick as GMs answer to Lincoln in the short term with further growth going forward. I8217m amazed how few buyers know of Auto Union8217s humble roots. Robert Moore says:2015 Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 Concept Is Ready To Rock: LA 2014 Sponsored Links Chevrolet has finally revealed to the world the Colorado ZR2 concept. which we have been waiting for for quite some time now. Though not confirmed for production, the concept looks more like a production show truck than a non-production concept truck. If we all shout loud enough and flash our money around, it will hopefully encourage Chevrolet to green-light this Ford F-150 Raptor fighter . To whit some history: the ZR2 nameplate is 20 years old. Back in 1994, Chevrolet first introduced the ZR2 package in the compact S-10 pickup. Soon after, it was added to the S-Series Blazer in 1996. The package was available through 2003 on the S-10 and in 2005 on the Blazer. And it made it to the last-generation Silverado in concept form. as well. Visually, the 2015 Colorado ZR2 concept sets itself apart from basic models with noticeably higher ground clearance and more extreme approach and departure angles at 30.7 and 22.7 degrees, respectively, versus the 25 and 21 degrees of the 2015 Colorado Z71. The new fascias also feature integrated, flip-out aluminum tow hooks, with a built-in winch in the front. The rear, however, sacrifices the CornerStep bumper for a better departure angle. From the ground-up, the Colorado ZR2 is seemingly built for intense rock climbing and fording water, as well as a spirited run through some mountain trails. It also has technology and stuff. And the 2.8L Duramax diesel engine that will roll out next year. More on that in a moment. For now, take note of the mono-tube coil-over shock absorbers by King Off-Road Racing Shocks, which are designed for greater suspension travel and feature remote-mounted fluid reservoirs that add to the capability of the 2015 Colorado ZR2 concept. The reservoirs for the front shocks are accessible and mounted in the wraparound portion of the front fascia. They are complimented by front control arms specific for the ZR2. Of course, the impressive feature set doesn8217t stop there, as the Colorado ZR2 concept also features ever-necessary electronic-locking front and rear differentials, which are capable of distributing torque to 27565R18 off-road tires, mounted on custom 18-inch aluminum multi-spoke, bead-lock wheels accented by wheel flares. As such, the footprint of the Colorado ZR2 is wider than that of the base models. The center section of the wheel design has a raw aluminum appearance with black accents, while the bolt-on bead-lock cover is orange-anodized aluminum. The truck bed of the Colorado ZR2 features a full-size matching spare wheeltire assembly with a quick-release handle. The bed also features the protective spray-in bed liner available on production Colorado models, GearOn accessories and a 48-inch Hi-Lift jack. Meanwhile, the exterior is painted Cyprus Green with Henna Orange accents. ZR2 badges are all over the place and a hood insert nods to GM8217s Heavy Duty trucks. Back to the technology and stuff. Within its Jet Black interior, the Colorado ZR2 incorporates a ready-to-go auxiliary toggle and four additional toggle switches: two for winch in and winch out operation and two for the electronic front - and rear-locking differentials. Back to the engine. The 2.8L Duramax mated to a six-speed automatic transmission, in this application, is estimated at 181 horsepower at 3,400 rpm and 369 pound-feet of torque at 2,000 rpm. The combination is most likely an indicator of what we can expect when the engine is officially offered next year on the 2016 Colorado and 2016 GMC Canyon . Now, join us in the officially-unofficial movement to get Chevrolet to bring the Colorado ZR2 to market as soon as possible. Update: it looks like Chevy will bring this concept to life as the 2017 Colorado ZR2 . 2015 Chevrolet Colorado ZR2 Concept I don8217t think this truck is for everyday driving even though you can. It8217s a diesel engine and has low HP probably for offroading to improve traction. The torque is off the charts at 369 pound feet. This truck will never get stuck cause all that torque and low HP will get it out of any mess. This truck will perform great off road, but probably frustrating of highways and everyday driving. I think its awesome, but I agree with you to a point if I was using it everyday id want more HP, personally Id like 350 HP plus 369 lb ft torque and lower 2 inches. Those are the specs for the I4 duramax that is going to be offered in all canyon and colorado trucks, not just this ZR2 concept. It puts out pathetic power numbers both for its displacement and for the hefty weight of this truck. Like the LFX this is looking to turn into another brain dead GM Engine choice that is going to be a fail. It will work if it puts out epic fuel economy numbers, is a zero cost 8220upgrade8221 or both (neither is likely). GM should have gone with the VM Motori 3.0L V6 like Chrysler did, instead they went with an inferior 2.8L I4 and they8217re going to end up suffering for it. Sam McEachern says: TORQUE PEOPLE, TORQUE. I will take torque over horsepower for everyday driving any day. Getting a heavier vehicle up to speed quickly is what torque allows. Ever seen a semi tractor without it8217s trailer It moves out Horsepower is only advantageous when you have the luxury to go very fast. It8217s hard to believe the amount of whiners here. Consumers have been crying for diesels for years in the U. S. in vehicles smaller that heavy duty pickups and GM finally delivers and what do some of you do, whine. The Colorado extended cab with the 2.5 four gas (don8217t have weight for the diesel yet (anyone)) weighs 4140 lbs in 42154 form. 369 lb torque will MOVE this thing off the line without a problem. My 821796 Impala SS weighs over 4000 lbs and comes with 260 hp and 325 ft. lbs torque. It is the torque that kicks 5.08217s butts all day long. I will buy this beautiful 8220concept8221 if they come out with it and enjoy the fuel economy that the diesel gives. The six-speed will allow the engine to stay within it8217s bandwidth and offer decent performance. I plan to use the truck for off-roading as well, and a diesel will be perfect for rock-crawling. Can8217t wait. Gentleman, 181 hp and 396 lbs torque are better than the first gen 5.9 cummins desiel which was 140 hp and 400 lbs of torque. 181 hp and 396 lbs of torque in a smaller truck than the Ram with the 5.9 cummins will be awesome. If any of you has driven the first gen 5.9 cummins Ram know what I mean. Torque is king And a lot of fun Compare: First Gen Cummins 5.9 I-6: 140 hp, 400 lbs torque. GM Duramax 2.8. 181 hp, 396 lbs torque. Clear Winner It would be nice to see the tuners push this engine to 300 HP and 450-500 FT LBS. Most engines have that much room. Now if GM can offer this in packages that will keep it 30K to no more than 40K. When I said no decal trucks in the past this is what I meant. Now do not de-content it to the point it becomes a decal truck. Look at the torque figures, not the outtight hp. We have this engine in the Aussie Colorado and they are no slouch. Drive one before you make bullshit comments, its not supposed to be a drag racer and its not a Silverado. Youll get a surprise when you stick the boot into it Many here do not understand diesels let alone turbocharged engine. Torque is a lost item on them. We are just now seeing people putting Duramax engines in come older cars where they are seeing 1500 FT LBS and some decent HP readings. It is amazing what these new day hot rods are doing. I can not count how many videos there are on the web of large diesel trucks out running a Viper etc with just a simple tune. Like I have said so many Americans do not like Diesels just because they just do not understand them. The only thing I do worry about is in this country it is getting more and more difficult to tune a Diesel with all the new laws and added emission equipment that also drives up the price. Also I thing many don8217t consider the 300 HP V6 would also be offered. NOBODY is going to be surprised when they put their 8220boot8221 into this truck. And NOBODY ever thought it was going to e a dragracer. But its piss poor specs indicate instead of being a decent all-around engine its just going to be a slug on the highway. This thing is going to struggle to pass a civic if the other driver accelerates at all. In conclusion the only 8220bullshit comment8221 here was yours. You either don8217t drive on the highway (in which case your opinion is not relevant to the discussion) or you have no understanding of power (in which case your opinion is not relevant to the discussion). Go and drive one you dickhead, I live in the country and these Utes are our bread and butter in Australia, you can pass road trains easily (50 yards long and travel at 60 mph) let alone your shit box Civic. Do you not know what low down torque is. These things sit on 1800-1900 rpm at 60 mph and will do 105 mph on a open road easy8230 Look schmuck, the engine option will not be out for another year, so nobody can 8220go drive one8221. What I have driven is a quab cab ecodiesel. You8217re simple, so I will take the tim to point out to you that it uses a modern diesel (even more sophisticated than the embarassment going into this truck) with a higher power:weight ratio than this truck has, with a substantially superior transmission. Here8217s the fun part8230 IT IS STILL A SLUG. I can8217t help it if you all drive like old women in Australia, many people in the United States don8217t drive that way and will be sorely disappointed with the highway performance of this truck. Periode. No matter how much you you want to whine about how special your diesels are, anything with a similar power:weight ratio as this truck is SEVERELY UNDERPOWERED. If you took a semester of physics 101, or even just had a day8217s worth of empirical evidence you could dry your eyes off with your dress and realize how stupid you sound with your moaning. The points you bring up announce your ignorance to the rest of the world, make you look stupid, and really should leave you feeling embarrassed. Top speed is irrelevant, bringing it up makes you look like a fool. Its not 8220top speed8221 that is relevant, its how long it takes you to get up to that 105 mph, which will be nearly forever in this slow trash. Cruising RPM is irrelevant, and bringing it up makes you look like a fool. Doubly so if the numbers you provided are correct (1800-1900 rpms at 60mph would be WAY high). You guys allegedly speak English in Australia, go back and read what I actually wrote. This engine, in this truck, will SUCK on the highway. It will take FOREVER to pass anyone, and will NOT be able to pass a civic if the civic driver decides to put his foot into it at all. As it currently stands this engine is going to FAIL miserably. Its only chance is if it is upgraded significantly or if it becomes a no cost upgrade over the LFX. Don8217t hold out hope for either. The LV3 and L83 are the only two engines that should have been offred in these trucks. Here is a case one Right makes a wrong. As you can see he has no real grasp of how a diesel works. Also he has not counted how easy it is to tune a diesel for more power and never even having to turn a bolt on the engine itself. If Gas engines could do this kind of torque we would not be seeing he HP reading we have now. This would not be a slug. Many NHRA drivers are now using I6 engines with conservative power but high torque yields for sportsman racing. their are far from slugs with sub 10 sec quarter mile times. As it is even with this engine as an option it will only account for a small volume of this models sales. The bulk will be for the V6. Now I think it would be interesting to see a LNF Eco Turbo with 300 HP offered. I have this in my car now and with 340 FT LBS it would make a nice package for those who are afraid or do not understand diesels. It has max torque from 1800 RPM to 5300 RPM. With the new tranny they may be able to add more than the Solstice GXP 340 FT LBS. Look muppet, you are just repeating the same junk from above. You accuse others of not understanding how things work when ironically you didn8217t understand the post you are responding to. This engine is UNDER POWERED. It will be a SLUG on the highway. It makes exactly ZERO difference if you take 10,000 lb ft of torque at 100 rpm, and I make 175 lb ft of torque at 6000 rpm. I WILL PASS YOU ON THE HIGHWAY. Honest to god, learn what a transmission is and how a gear works before posting. You will embarass yourself less. I don8217t think this is as bad as many of you are making it out to be. Torque is what really matters in a truck. In addition, that HP figure really isnt that bad. They are proposing: 181 hp and 369 lb-ft torque at 2,000 rpm The last 2003 GMC Sonoma I had sported this engine: 120 hp (8289 kW) 5200 RPM 140 lbft (176190 Nm) 2800 RPM 8211 We are talking 3 times the torque, 1.5 times the HP, at lower RPMs. The HIGHEST, most powerful Trim, The Vortec 4300 sported 180 hp (134 kW) 4400 RPM and 245 lbft (332 Nm) 2800 RPM 8211 Once again, we are talking a hair more HP, and 50 more torque. I never heard anyone complain about either motor. In 2013, the base Silverado sported a motor with 195 hp (145 kW) 4600 RPM and 260 lbft (353 Nm) 2800 RPM In 2012, the Ram 1500 base engine was 215 hp (160 kW) 235 lbft (319 Nm). That torque wasn8217t hit until 4000 RPM. The 2013 Base silverado weighed 4,596 lbs to 5,487 lbs The Colorado weighs 3,930 lbs to 4,520 lbs 2013 Silverado: 23.57 lbs per HP. 17.68 lbs per ft-lb of torque 2015 Colorado diesel: 21.71 lbs per HP. 10.65 lbs per ft-lb or torque 7.9 increase in HPLB and Thats a 40 increase in torque per lb, and it all hits at a lower RPM. Lets compare the big diesel: 365 hp (272 kW) 3200 RPM 8211 660 lbft (895 Nm) 1600 RPM. 5,717 lbs to 6,689 lbs (2500HD) 15.66 lbsHP and 8.66 lbsft-lb torque. That is a 38.6 increase in HP per lb, and a 23 increase in torque per lb What this should tell us: This engine is in no way underpowering the Colorado. In fact, it should outperform a Silverado with a base engine. It should also be comparible to a mid-engine Silverado performance-wise, which isn8217t too bad given its a lower price point, higher fuel economy, and a smaller truck. It way outperforms historical versions of the vehicle, and should be more than enough power for the typical user. The extremely high torque levels are unheard of in this small of an engine, and I anticipate day-by-day driving experiences to be excellent - Similar to driving a V8 powered Silverado. I hope that you realize that you are comparing base engine options that virtually nobody purchased at the time precisely because they were such garbage. The only people that did buy them were to go after an extremely low end truck that was probably purchased for 10K cheaper than what a diesel canyoncolorado will retail for. I8217m sure if you lopped 10K off the price of a diesel canyon or colorado you wouldn8217t hear complaints about the anemic power figures either. Diesel colorados and canyons are going to be very heavy. The VM motori 3.0L V6 diesel used by Ram weighs in close to 500 lbs, this engine is going to be in the same ballpark. It will probably weigh in at an easy 100 lbs more than the LFX, making the poor underpowered engine have to work that much harder to move the truck along. 1. The problem with this is that the Vortec 4300 weighed around 500 lbs. So the diesel adds a few lbs - does that really change the equation 100 lbs is more weight, but is a 2.5 increase THAT much more weight when your already around the 4000 lb mark. If I lost 100 lbs, would I expect my entire driving experience to change 2. The Vortec 4300 and the Duramax Diesel I referenced were the top engine trim options, not bases. 3. You are right that few people take the base trim - about 10 according to Ford. But what I hear you essentially saying is that the Diesel is a big upgrade from the base motor, but not as good as a beefy V8. While there is something to be said about being a purist, The Diesel is more powerful than the most powerful engine of 10 years ago, and is a significant improvement over the 8220base8221 engine option. Those in itself make it more than worthy. The 3.6L option available today is 305 HP and 275 lb-torque, but not until 4000 RPM. If you look at the HP and torque curve for the 3.6L LFX, per SAE Certification, at 2000 RPM you see 220 ft-lb of torque. at 3400 RPM, you see about 160 HP. The reason why this is important is simple - consider your driving behavior. How often do you run your truck over 5000 RPM in real-world driving You don8217t. the beauty of this diesel is the torque and HP curves. You see the peak power where you use it. I see this with a lot of engines today - on paper they are great, but they don8217t have the power where you need it. Peak HP means little if you can never use it. Now compare that with the torque and HP curve of the Diesels out there. They peak torque not at 4800 RPM, but at or below 2000, once again, where you use it. When I tune my race cars, I don8217t have them tune it for peak HP, I tune it for a good smooth power band and work hard to get my lower-end numbers up, because in racing - or real world driving - you need that torque and HP at different speeds and gear ratios. It is one of the reasons I have always respected the BMW engines. They may not have great numbers, but if you8217ve driven one you know the idea of 8220the power is there where and when you need it8221, which goes well. When I had my 4.7L ram, on paper it outperformed my 5.3 liter chevy engine, but once again in real world driving experiences, the chevy engine gives me power when I need it while the 4.7L was never able to respond. If you look at the power curves for the 4.7L, at 2500 RPM, 280 lb-torque and 120 HBP. The 265 hp wasn8217t available until 5200 RPM, and the torque curve looks like pikes peak hitting 325 right at 3600 RPM, but dropping more than 40 - 1000 RPM. That meant to do any sort of towing or similar, you8217ve got to run the engine right around 3000-4000 RPM at all times, limiting you to 180 HP, in a full size truck, and dropping fuel economy to dismal numbers. If I look at the torque curve for the 2.8L Diesel, I8217m darn impressed. While official SAE figures are not yet available to my understanding. We are looking at about 300 ft-lb or more from 1600 RPM to 4000 RPM. If you averaged the power at each PM point, you8217ll see that the Diesels torque out performs even top trim non-diesel engine options. But what about HP While this is certainly 8220less important8221 than most make it out to be. (HP is all about compensation, right) Your looking at about 115 HP at 2000 RPMS, smoothly rising up to 181. That trusty 4300 Vortec 90 HP at 2000 RPMs. The current 3.6L LFX 85 HP. The current top engine, the 3.6L LFX is outperformed by this 2.8L diesel in both HP and torque until 3000 RPMs. When I drive trucks, I spent most my time under 3000 RPM - don8217t you The 3.6L LFX does offer higher HP figures from 3500 RPM and above, but sports 30 less torque over that portion of the band. In short, comparing the TOP trim engine to the diesel per your suggestion, in real world driving, the Diesel will outperform the 3.6L engine at virtually any point in the RPM spread, even if on paper its numbers lag in the realm of HP. Under 3000 RPM or so, the diesel outperforms it drastically on all metrics sporting 40 more torque and 27 more HP, which is where most truck users use it. On top of that, while somewhat of a speculation, most analysists are suggesting fuel economy above 30mpg, In short, 16 better fuel economy, 27 more HP, and 40 more torque in normal driving conditions than the current top-of-the-line model. To me that is pretty darn compelling the more I look at it. The entire point that I raised, that I have maintained throughout this entire string of comments, is that this truck is too heavy and underpowered for functional highway driving. It will be fine driving around town, or if you never drive quickly or pass anyone. Once you want to pass a line of traffic by going from 60-80 or 60-85 this thing is going to fall flat on its face. I do this daily. Anyone who wants to get anywhere on the roads I commute on does this daily. This truck is going to have issues just merging in with high speed traffic in some instances. Its going to be ATROCIOUS trying to merge into traffic while towing anything. If you drive slowly, or never have to pull anything and merge you might not notice these limitations. Although one would wonder at the reasoning behind paying a premium for this motor if you never do anything with it. Get your head out of your ass dickhead and open your mind. You can8217t make a comment on something you haven8217t driven. You won8217t have any drama with a truck like this in the conditions you8217ve mentioned. As for Aussies driving like Grandmas we are still, only just, a V8 country. Every car I8217ve got other than my work truck (PX Ford Ranger) is a V8, one a Holden Ute, the other a 63 Impala and I drive the wheels of the effing things. If you think the Colorado is too gutless, just go and buy a Silverado. Personally I think most of you guys will be blown away how well these 2.8 Duramax diesels go. Trust me, I8217ve done a burnout with one8230 I don8217t need to drive this truck to understand it is woefully underpowered. You have two major problems here. Problem number one is you lack a simple high school level understanding of physics. You are wholly incapable of understanding what power is, and appropriate power requirements for a given situation. Your second problem is that you8217re from a backwards country where people clearly drive like old women, you have no concept of how the roads and traffic patterns work here. You are wrong. You have been wrong. At those specs the engine will be a monumental failure. If you want to keep running your mouth then put your money where your mouth is. We will define terms for success and arrange for an escrow service to hold our money for the allotted timeframe defined in the wager. Winner takes all. PM me or post an email address I can reach you at and I will set it up. I am happy to arrange for an escrow service to No point arguing with you mate, we8217re not getting anywhere here8230. What do you drive now that makes you so goddamn special Can8217t wait till that truck comes out in the states and people realise it does have a bit of get up and go. Numbers on a bit of paper don8217t always relate to real world drivability and you8217re too pig-headed to keep an open mind and drive the bloody thing when it eventually comes out. GM are trying something left field for the US market, something from past experience I know will work extremely well. This truck will have more than enough power, torque and off-road ability to please a lot of people and I applaud GM for trying something different. If the world were run by blokes as conservative as you we8217d be still all driving bloody T models Checked out the performance times for 0-60 on this truck, 9.8 secs, not too shabby for a vehicle of this size and weight. Electronically limited to 110 mph, and reaches this figure in 35 seconds from a standing start. Still not bad for a truck that8217ll get 30 mpg8230. Here8217s what I don8217t get about you saying these trucks will be a dog to pass things in8230I own a 2001 Crew Cab F350 Dually with the 7.3 Powerstroke (bonestock) never once have I had a problem passing anyone on the highway. Even with the a trailer on it. So to get to my point (if I remember correctly) the PSD was rated at 210ish HP at 3,000 rpm and something like 425 LB 8211 FT of torque at 2000 rpm. So you have a 920 lb motor that produced a mere 16 more horse power and 15 more torque in a truck that weighs somewhat like 7500 lbs and have no problem passing people8230.I would say torque is kinda important. Besides don8217t fight with the Aussie man8230.They have this truck you don8217t, I would take a real world view over your keyboard hero Ford 6.0L PSD driving ass. Your trolling makes all the rest of us Americans look like freaking idiots. Shut up already Look at the thumbs up and down rating at the bottom of your ridiculous posts Scott3 is right. Torque. Ever drive a Golf with the tiny, low HP 1.9L TDI The thing will pull uphill in overdrive, where so many high HP gasoline powered cars shift down and become asthmatic. This will be the best engine in the Colorado Canyon by far. The above ZR2 would be an excellent 25K truck. For the likely north of 40K, trademark 8220New GM8221 insanity pricing, one would be wise to choose a Cummins Ram 42154 that8217ll put hair on your chest. Keith Dunlap says: This concept looks great and need to be offered (I assume the V6 gas engine will be available too with the ZR2 trim). I have a 2015 Colorado ordered and will be buying a 2016 ZR2 if it goes to production. I owned three ZR2s back in the S-10 days and loved them. I8217m a sucker for this rig. I8217ll probably buy it regardless but would prefer the short bed crew cab with 8spd 5.3 gas V8. If I end up with the 4 pot Duramax I sure hope they tune it to 220hp and 400 lb ft and mate it with the the required 8spd. What kind of 3rd member axle size are they talking Better to be bigger. I really like the look of the Colorado and I am excited about the diesel, but this ZR2 package is what8217s selling me hard Looks amazing and has the off-road mechanicals to back up its off-road warrior look. It has to be offered in crew cab if I8217m going to buy though, gotta think about having a kid in the next 3-5 years8230 I need a full back seat. My one gripe is that GM isn8217t thinking forward at all by putting a six speed on that motor. It should be an 8 speed like the Jeep8217s 3L diesel. That is the future (and a nice bump to Chevy8217s average brand fuel economy. Please make this GM, and please but an 8 speed in it I would hate to be an Engineer for GM. They design things like the Revolutionary 4.5 Duramax, only to watch Dodge take the Crown for 12 ton MPG on diesel trucks, 7 years after the 4.5 could have been in production. Now they design the Colorado ZR2 but in will never go in to production. You may ask how I know. Because once they design something that I would buy, they never produce it. I know GM as the company that cries WOLF. What a TEASER.